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[Music] [Music] hello ladies and gentlemen this this is a first installment of concave Earth sessions I thought I’d start a little session discussion with uh two of my friends here Damen Nicks who’s a prolific writer and he uh recently found uh my work on YouTube and so we started up a little discussion and we also have John devau here who is another concer who actually started a concav with blog spot which is has some really good interesting articles on there uh that um a to concave
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Earth uh let’s why don’t we start with John John why don’t you introduce yourself and uh just kind of go from there I guess all right um well as you said my name is John devau I uh you know I get interested in a lot of different topics and um one of them was the Flat Earth which eventually led me to the concave Earth with experiments like the re delineator and then of course I met your videos along the way and decided it was about time I start writing about it excellent and you and I we had a few discussions already and
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uh what is you you’ve been telling me that you’ve actually been interacting with uh people like just like friends family just people that work or whatever and what has been like their General response to the concave Earth concept well it’s foreign to many people they it’s hard to get past what’s been taught in schools and it’s hard to open your mind in a lot of ways um there’s a lot of primary foundations that are not easily accepted and because of that you you kind of got to work at trying to explain
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to people people where concave earth makes sense and though we have the data the back of what we’re saying we still have the opposition because of people going to college and physics and other things and not that education is bad but it seems to create compartmentalization to other ideas so um my experience is you have some people who will listen to you and they find it extremely interesting and those people generally hang on to the idea for a while and then you have the other people who just immediately want
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to ridicule everything you say right do you find that it’s it’s they’re less inclined to ridicule you when it’s face-to-face contact because it seems like uh when people have a filter with the internet it seems like they’re more they feel more comfortable ridiculing you’re mock mocking the concept but it like when you’re in when you’re in your when when you’re face to face with somebody and you’re just telling them you’re telling the facts that you know number one the Earth there’s no there’s no
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proof whatsoever that there’s any rotation to the Earth or you know I think it to me anyway I think that it when it’s usually when it’s like a one-on-one confrontation or just discussion with somebody I think they they take it more seriously and they they respect you more I think is that what do you find too or absolutely face to face is so much easier than you know I’m places like YouTube or commentaries online um and the the reason being is because I can in front of you show you um examples I can explain to you and uh
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give you I guess a better visualization of what I’m talking about right um You Know Better comparisons things like that uh let’s let’s go on to Damen Daman I want you introduce yourself and just give us a little bit about uh information about your background and how you came about to know the concave Earth sure um I’m Damen Nicks I run uh just a little blog called altnews doino where I cover esoteric strange subjects of all types and memory whole articles from from media uh just to kind of preserve the memory and history of
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whatever is going on at the time um so I came across the concave Earth theory when I first read an article an omni magazine it was called uh the hollow Earth theory the the Ming theory that can’t be disproven right I’m basically went into Cyrus teed’s work and the rectal lineary as well um basically proving a few different aspects saying that b you know Hollow words could be proved with inverse geometry which I found intriguing because math is so you’ve heard of uh Mustafa AB abadar that Egyptian M
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mathematician yeah so they went into his work and found that you know you could basically make the same argument for a concave Earth as you could for a convex Earth so um that that stuck with me for quite a long time and then last year I had this really Vivid dream about about basically looking at the mechanism that worked the Earth you know like it almost felt like an ezekiel’s wheel kind of Revelation in this dream when I could see the inner workings of the of the planet and then I basically I know it was like I was I was
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intrigued by that and it’s been kind of Haunting my memory for a long time about that and then I started your videos and I see I saw basically how you you know you put it all together in this um El you know graphic form that you can basically get your head around really easily you can see how it functions you can see you know the rotations and the you know the different movements of celestial bodies um in a in a rational way so I kind of lashed on to it that way basically awesome awesome so um what do you think I
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mean as far as like uh I think what I think there’s a lot of concave people that are kind of like in the just into Shadows they’re just kind of you know they’re like afraid to like actually step out and tell people about the concave Earth because of the you know the obvious ridic ridicule that people uh would would give them but um you have to think you’re sount you know you’re you’re trying to sount like decades and centuries basically worth of ideology you know it’s a it’s a scientific you know what they
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what theyve proen I said is basically the the truth the whole time you know right accepted in that in that form and it’s hard to you know people come against com cognitive dissonance all the time yeah why do you think it it why do you think the concave Earth is so suppressed I mean the D the information the science is there I mean like the rectal linia experiment why do you think that’s never been publicly reconducted for since 1897 um I quite honestly I think it would scare everybody there’s a there’s
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just it would just thinking that you’re in inside a sphere you’re kind of feel more um claustrophobic yeah it’s like claustrophobic you know you feel like you’re in a prison and if you know where the prison walls are then you start going why is it there why are the walls there who built this now D I think that’s they don’t really want anybody to know about essentially that’s probably why they’re keeping it a big secret and also there’s like a paradigm between like what is actually reality versus
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what is fiction and Damon you’re you’re a writer right I mean you you write fiction you write stories and stuff and I think having this concept of holding on to this fictitious concept is like a form of denial which actually allows your imagination to run wild and elaborate on things you know like well you know we can talk about aliens we could talk about parallel universes we could talk about other worlds we could talk about you know it just kind of like your imagination can run wild um yeah absolutely and it creates huge
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Industries as well think about Star Trek and think about like Star Wars and all the imag ideas of going out into space and traveling at hypers speeds and visiting other planets Etc when if none of that’s possible that’s going to create um kind of a creative vacuum in people and they may find very depressed that’s what I’m thinking that they may just yeah I do well what’s what’s the point we can’t get out of this thing and right right right right it’s almost like like when I was in prison I would have
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the greatest dreams you know it’s like I was stuck in a Cell here but I’m having these awesome Vivid elaborate ative dreams of you know fantasy the capacity for the human mind to want freedom and to want like the boundless you know the expanse of the universe to be out there able to be explored is something that you can’t can’t easily quell and you’re not going to be able to like just come out and say this and hopefully people are just going to not Riot and N or not just be depressed and stop working and yeah the
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econom ETC so it’s I think that’s that’s a big incentive for keeping it secret I think but I think there needs to be a healthy balance I think people I think people still can have this vivid imagination of what you know what their mind can produce as far as like fiction or fantasy but you you really need to be grounded in the truth and the reality in which we live in you know the Earth in which we live in and I think absolutely so there’s like this you know there’s this denial mechanism that’s
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deeply deeply indoctrinated ever since you know the the cernic revolution really and and uh it’s just like completely shuts out any concept of concave Earth you know when I when I talk to people in you know in person some people just do feel very depressed about this so oh no we’re living in this P like you said we’re living in this prison how about you John did you uh do you find that with people too do they find it depressing to think that we’re living in in the concave Earth or no but I’d like
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to expand on the thought at hand here if indeed the Earth does not rotate we now have a collapse a a first Domino if you will that starts the fall on every single thing in science that’s right the dates the millions of years the trillions of years the age of the universe everything starts to topple you you have problems with Evolution because you need all these millions of years right all the all dating systems all these sciences that depend on the Earth’s motion exactly exactly their found like the legs just are just knocked
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right off from under them it’s it’s that foundation of the premise of the earth rotating it’s just you know I actually um there’s an you know the wild heretic right and you guys have have seen his site before he’s got a Maxum at the top of his page it says when you have eliminated when you have eliminated all which is impossible then whatever remains however improbable must be the truth and so like I I can like we can like take there’s basically I would say four different models of the
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universe first you have the the generally accepted heliocentric model where we have a convex spinning Earth and it’s orbiting around the sun and a vast universe and stars are light light years away um however when people start realizing you know there’s no spin to the Earth you know we can go into the sagnak experiment we can go into Michaels and Morley we can go into Aries failure we can show how the focal pendulum has problems with it with morrice Elias you know showing that during eclipses the pendulum changes
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rotation there’s no proof whatsoever that there’s any rotation to the Earth so if we knock out that initial model of the universe then we have what we have a convex geostationary Earth which a lot of Bible Believers believe in you know we have the principal movie that came out over the past year and you know people like that think that the Earth is the center of the universe and it’s stationary however it’s still convex however there’s problems with that too once you get into the understanding that
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okay well why if you ascend high in an airplane like 35,000 ft why isn’t the Horizon lowering why is it still at your eye level if you were on a convex ball I even did simulations in 3D The Horizon would be much lower right so and there’s other problems too it’s like well we have this geostationary Earth in the center and so you’re saying the sun is still 93 million miles away right and so this sun has to do one full revolution in a 24-hour period you now if you do 2 pi r the circumference of a circle
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you’re talking about over like half a million miles in one day and that’s just the sun then you have the Stars which are even supposedly further away like 300 million light years or whatever how many light years away you can’t that’s that’s asinine you cannot complete a light year in a day it just doesn’t make any sense and so there’s a lot of problems with a geocentric convex model of the Earth and then of course and you this this whole Flat Earth baloney that’s seems to be popping up on on YouTube that’s baloney
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too I mean they can’t they can’t map out the heavens for one thing the celestial sphere up in the sky they they have to conclude that it’s it’s a hologram or something because we have two poles pole stars or north North Pole stars and South Pole stars that have axises or have axes you know there they’re showing that there’s a SP sphericity to the heavens and so they can’t map that out within a flat Earth paradigm amongst other things you know the distances in the s in the southern hemisphere they’re
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still they still coordinate to spherical coordinates I don’t care if you show me a plane flight that takes its route from South Africa through to Dubai and then back to Australia it’s if you take a direct route from let’s say South Africa to Auckland New Zealand it’s still it it can be as fast as 13 hours 14 hours you cannot you know you can’t not fit that on a on a flat Earth pizza with the crust being Antarctica it just doesn’t work so there’s many problems with that also too like I like like from an
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artistic point of view I’m an artist aesthetically look at this Flat Earth Map it just doesn’t make sense I mean you have you have like Africa like the Horn of a or the Cape of Africa and South America they’re like bloated out like they have gout or something it’s just it just doesn’t make any sense and so the fourth model is the concave model so it’s you eliminate you I’ve eliminated the first three models and the con there’s no problems with if you understand that light is bending upwards
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and a lot of people ask okay well if the Earth is concave why can’t we see the other side well that’s not how light works I mean wild heretic has some great articles about light bending light bending upward so the curvature of this light this line of sight it’s not a line it’s actually a trajectory a curved trajectory is hitting the Stars it’s it’s you’re when you look when you look across you see the sun setting at the Horizon it’s actually it’s actually not a straight line it’s actually a curved
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trajectory and so you’re it’s curving up like that and so when we cannot see the other side because of the visibility limitation of curved light and so that’s what I I’d like to present to people as that you know you just eliminate the impossible what’s left however improbable must be the truth what do you guys think about that well absolutely I mean I think there’s too many things in relativity that this people have to take for fanciful nonsense like the thought experiment of the barn door thing have
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you heard of that one at all the thought of the thought experiment with the Barn Door yeah the Barn Door experiment where supposedly you run at the speed of light you have a pole that’s that’s longer than uh the two doors on either side of the thing but since you’re running at the speed of light your your pole is going to is going to shrink so when the front of the oh yeah and then the back of the barn door closes the pole will fit inside see that’s all theoretical hogwash I don’t understand how they can
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make that assumption when there hasn’t there’s been no evidence of anything shrinking inside well that is the great special theory of relativity yeah the the necessary um nonsense if you will that is required to keep the Earth in motion I mean they they used it to say the infometer of the Merles and morle experiment the left arm shun drun and then it this bothers me a lot they on all over the Internet they tell you Einstein can never be disproven how they say this is is just Preposterous the the man comes up with
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an idea based on the contraction theories doesn’t have to prove it and instead says that the Michaelson Mo experiment is the proof but where did they actually show that the where’s the measurement to prove that the left arm actually shrunk there is it’s not right so we have an inherent problem that people just don’t understand yeah they just accept universally accept it must be I mean we cannot we can’t we cannot entertain this that the Earth is is not spinning we have to come up with some other answer
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so let’s Einstein to the rescue or or the Laurence contraction to the rescue and it’s it’s crazy and it’s it does take a lot of faith to believe that kind of thing I mean really when there’s a and that’s just that we’re not moving at all it definitely does it definitely does you know go ahead well if if we wrap in the idea um you know I just want to bring in the atheist perspective for a second they are dependent upon the scientific method of showing proof to claims and and this is basically the um
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the system that the atheist used to figure out if you know God exists and they’ll argue okay well where’s your proof and you don’t have evidence and you’re making assumptions but when it comes to these Sciences they’re not applying the same rules so you know even the atheist has to reconsider the way they’re thinking about things yeah you guys you know you’re with me on this right so it it’s it’s just it’s difficult to even tell them hey you’re being blindsided when it comes to
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science also you’re just accepting Authority and other fallacies that exist yeah it’s a confirmation bias with this ad popular mentality that’s that modern so-called science is is their gospel you know it’s it’s right and we went to the moon NASA’s 100% correct you know everything they say is is Gospel to them and it’s just a just a substitution their God is substituted instead of this you know the god of the Bible it’s the god of science and or so-called science falsely so-called
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so it’s um it’s hypocritical this I think it’s easy to believe this stuff when you see it packaged in a pretty packaged like the you know the Nova episodes and you know all the things that they put out with all these pretty graphics and stuff it’s easy to just get swept into it and believe exactly what they’re telling you and it just comes in conscious level because while you’re looking at these pretty pictures you know they’re telling about about all these lies yeah it’s hypnotic I mean
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yeah you just sit there and watch the Nova channel look you look at the meteors and exploding in space and everything it’s just wow wow it’s like yeah we know this is CG this is fabricated but you know subconsciously we’re absorbing this yeah that’s what happened yeah yeah it becomes a reality for you it’s like a predict it’s it’s just thing that they put into your brain it’s a programming device and they use these these Beast pretty images quite often fic fiction is more sexy than the truth isn’t it it’s
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sad to say but oh I I don’t know about that I think I think the truth is what uh got me to concave Earth in the first place which is far more interesting fair enough good enough that’s fine with me entertaining though to be to be lied to I think and people generally like to be lied to that’s why Hollywood’s such a big success that’s why TV programming is called programming it’s why you know it’s just it’s cycle of programming basically that’s all it is is they they’re implanting their their mindset
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that’s what they want you to believe so don’t question why we’re here why is there a prison wall around us why who built this machine Etc you know yeah I hear you they don’t want you asking those kind of questions those kind of questions are dangerous especially if they can control the central sphere then they can basically control a panagon if you will of absolute control and they don’t yeah need to explain that if they if they if nobody knows about it you know what I mean my op I think happen if
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you own occupy that Central sphere you have a central location where you can spy and look upon every part of the world it’s a panopticon der essentially if you can occupy that space and I think that they’ve been trying to with with the nuclear weapons in space with operation Fishbowl yes yes get now with portals trying to get up there with CERN that’s definitely one of their goals is trying occupy the space it must be a very powerful location yeah so you think they’re trying to get up in the middle of of the earth there here middle
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of the heaven um let’s talk about the glass Sky a little bit um what do you guys think about that I think it makes sense I was I was just reading some article I forget who posted it but I think it may have been it may have been you John um I reposted something about uh zerog glass was formed in space it’s more transparent than any glass you can creay here that’s metallic oh yeah NASA had an article about that didn’t they that was a very intriguing article and that that they want to go out there and create that
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stuff z g would be well that would make sense too yeah I mean if this glass was formed in where there’s supposedly no gravity I mean it’s going to be a lot more transparent than than how then glass formed here on the surface of the Earth because of the I guess there’s uh there’s more is there’s more viscosity up where there’s no where there’s no gra I I hate to use that word gravity but you know where there’s no gravity but in the in the space in the Ethereal I’m sure where
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where it’s not no you say that things in your model Stephen you’ve got satellites in geosynchronous orbits Etc so I’m curious like uh geostationary so you think those are places where you could achieve like what would equivalate to zero g well I’m not I’m not definitely saying that I’m not sold on it but it’s I’m trying to make sense of it all um I’m I’m I’m I tend to I’m inclined to think that they they did penetrate the glass firmament and launched some kind
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of satellites I I talk about there’s actually um supposedly there’s four equatorial equilibrium points within the ocean and it’s kind of interesting that we have four points you know obviously my model has this octahedron in the middle of the celestial sphere and so if it’s emanating magnetically these four points extending it outwards toward the Earth Earth it could be this equilibrium zone or these you know these these uh yeah these equilibrium zones that are actually allowing whatever objects that fall within that
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region to actually just kind of levitate there so I think it’s a possibility I’m not saying it’s definite but um well that would make that would follow then if that’s if actual glass is being formed there metallic glass that’s more transparent than anything it would it would follow well yeah I mean and you know the whole concept of space being a vacuum I mean glass would be a very good container to contain that vacuum of space and you know yep of course you have the auroras and you know just like on a plasma ball
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which has glass and casing it you know you can create Electric discharge forming the auroras with the uh the plasma so a lot of good you know I bring up a lot of different reasons why I mean the whole idea of rainbows in the first place Sun being sunlight being dispersed through the glass and the different wavelengths of the different colors uh going through at different speeds and so they refract differently red has the least amount of refraction and violet has the most and so it creates the Spectrum and I believe
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the whole reason why we have the bow is because the Sun the rim of the sun extends almost like if you just shine a flashlight and you’re going to have a rim to it and so and so a lot of good reasons to believe that there was glass on the sky and so when you have that understanding then these Mysteries that modern science cannot understand fathom where they like Mega cry meteors where they coming from well if you have this does open up a lot of like explanations I mean even just historical stuff when you start
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thinking about because you have the the octahedron in the middle and it’s made of you say magnetite right or that I’m not sure what it I mean this is all speculation on my part I don’t but I think it’s magnetic yeah I think it has to be magnetic I’d imagine to be like because it would fit the model even um on their model because they they say we have a highly magnetic core yeah when if the core is in the sky and it’s highly magnetic and it’s an octahedron um which is the crystal habit of
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magnetite on Earth exactly and if it’s a massive structure that would make that would follow it seems that you could actually make that argument as well and especially you can find plenty of Articles and and and things about pyramidal energy and levitation and other other suspended in the middle of the air and have you know it’s possible yeah I don’t I made a video about you remember uh you guys know Joe par he was a pyramid researcher and he did he did studies on the pyramids and he found out that there’s a spherical energy bubble
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that surrounds pyramids I think he had them had the pyramids actually rotating and so I mean have this concept of a sphere encapsulating a a pyramid and so that’s essentially what we have with with the heavens and the Earth you know we have a series of concentric spheres that are covering this Central octahedron or pyramid which is levitating and so I think that that that icon the the pyramidal icon just appears I mean it’s it’s beyond coincidence at this point that it’s appearing everywhere in the world obviously
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somebody knew about that oh yeah of the day yeah you know you know the the Illuminati symbolism is pretty much everywhere but uh which is why it leads me to believe that in the panopticon idea basically this prison that you have absolute visible well that’s the whole idea of the eye watching you know the eye of God alling ey alling see it’s right in the middle yeah there’s your there’s your panopticon right there exactly it’s an interesting concept I wonder if they’ve actually made it
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inside the sphere at this point or or if they uh failed I don’t I don’t think they can get that high I think what I think you know you guys remember that uh that article that came out a couple months ago about the Star Trek uh wall you know the the Van Allen belts and it’s almost like these electrons are hitting a glass wall well yeah they are yeah and and so recently I actually I actually uh revised my model to to include these concentric glass spheres I think there’s POS possibly more than one glass sphere
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now and so if you have these Glass Walls you know it’s it’s going to be pretty hard to get through uh especially with all the radiation so I don’t think they I don’t think they can get up there I think they they might try what do you guys think about go ahead do you think can get through what’s the highest um I don’t know I think they can get past the first glass um 100 100 km Caron line 62 miles yeah something like that that but it’s it’s all speculation on my part I don’t know you know it’s
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just I just got to go with what you know just Mak to on his videos where they’re they’re telling us exactly what’s happening but I mean I think that maybe we’ve gotten past that first layer at some point and yeah know if we can get further I’m kind of curious because I’m kind of curious if how the Van Allen Bells would work inside the concentric spheres if it’s basically just radiation that’s coming around as the sun’s rotating around is it just that the energy that it’s projecting outward and
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it’s too hot to I don’t know I think yeah I think the sun does play part in it I’m not really sure though I I can’t I couldn’t I’d have to think about that more but I was just kind of curious the Van Allen the Van Allen Bells have that Taurus shape all the way around the earth you know model but it could be translated in internal as well yeah well then you have the you have the auroral zones uh that you know over basically just being the heat that it’s generated as light is going around right over the uh the
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Arctic and the Antarctic they have these auroral zones which actually I think that I have my my model I have this this outer rind to the earth I believe it’s made out of metal and there’s possibly these openings in the North and South which has been covered over with plates you know with Basalt or or uh continental plates but I believe that’s why we have the actual rural zones um do you think there’s portals out at the poles I think there might be some small ones I don’t think it’s some I mean you
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know we if you ever watched any um Hollow Earth you know convex Hollow Earth propaganda yeah that’s all that’s all fantasy balone and then Bird’s diary as a forgery and stuff but anyway they they I’m not sure if you know I think a lot of a lot of that imagery is photoshopped or whatever but I think it’s very possible that there might be a few small portals in the North and the South possibly I think even wild hati mentions that too that he thinks there there are some and within that within
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this closed system you you would think you would need some kind of heat vent heat Escape as well yeah abely what about the PO like the polar vortex I was wondering I’m actually kind of thinking of the theory maybe that the you know the Norse people have talked about um tall whites like basically they describe the tall white alien type race basically the tall giant types and the ice giants um and looking at it kind of an an interesting like what if they’re surface dwellers kind of and they that’s their
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weapon is their polar Vortex that they can send in just from the esoteric nonsense point of view I’m just kind of as a writer and fanciful right thinking I don’t know yeah I mean we can we can we can guess I person I personally think that you know once you get outside of Earth there’s nothing I mean a lot of people always ask me what’s on the outside what’s are there multiple Earth spheres are there you know are there I I I say I don’t think there’s anything I think this is it I mean but I could be wrong but you
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know scripture says say that the Earth is hung on nothing Job chapter 26 um Al also talks about being kicked out of the Earth in Job chapter 38 and it’s outer darkness and a bottomless pit and so this could be the extent of our physical world you know and so what we have is you like we talked about initially is that we have this vivid imagination would you like to cont absolutely I’m still trying to see I’m still trying to dream the creative out out there I want if even in the kave earth I don’t want
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to be limited you know yeah it’s like I make the comparison it’s like your brain is this Mass it’s just like this 5B mass inide of your cranium but it has the capacity to like expound and elaborate and to imagine these wild and Vivid fantasy reality or so-called realities and so but in in essence it’s still just a brain so I think like the concave Earth is like the brain and so we have this imagination when we like to think of these Vivid universes and you know I think the whole parallel universe is a
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bunch of crack you know just uh it’s a it’s it’s a cap out it’s it’s kind of a hypocritical cap out for atheists to actually entertain this idea of this notion I think I that one that one scientist his name was Charles Lawrence whatever he talked about well I like the parallel universe idea because it it excludes God from the equation and the whole idea is basically because uh they have to admit that that this socalled universe is so perfectly fine-tuned everything is working in sychronization
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everything well there’s got to be other universes by by chance right by random chance that are not so perfectly fine-tuned so it’s like well no that’s just infinite and then anything’s possible obviously you can just create anything you want to you make things up out a whole cloth yeah it’s that’s the thing about that that’s that’s why that theory is the standing theory is because people they really want to believe that stuff they think that we’re some you know just a random Universe yeah exactly just a
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little pale do BL pale blue dot I when when I talked to Richard Cohen the NASA scientist he he even admitted he was talking with his colleague he’s like he called me back after I initially told him about the concave Earth and he like you know you got a point there Steve I mean the concave Earth is more credible than the parallel universe or the strength or strength Theory because you know you have cold heart facts you know you have experimentation you have the rect delineator you have the tamarck Mind shafts it’s there’s no
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reason not to seriously understand or consider the concave Earth and especially because in light of what I say what I believe will happen because within this stationary Earth you have the Sun moving and if you read about it in Legends they talk about a time where the sun actually stopped a long time ago 3 about 3,500 years ago it’s mentioned in scripture too in Joshua chapter 10 so if that’s going to happen again you know we have this I have this doom doom State scenario if there’s this you know if we have this
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origin we know where the ice is coming from from the top of the the glass sky and this the ice Falls when the sun stops it’s recorded in Joshua 10 the sun stops and the ice Falls and especially if NASA’s been poking holes through these you know through the glass sky and it’s been jarring loose chunks of ice from time to time maybe that’s why that’s why I believe they’re actually spraying Chemtrails is to actually contain the man-made anthropogenic heat from rising so they have all these
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chemicals in the Chemtrails that are actually the same chemicals that are used in apparatus to suppress fire so I believe it’s like this endothermic blanket they actually they don’t want another T Tusa because I I talk about how you know tusco is probably just a large chunk of ice that fell down a long time ago because you know there’s no it’s it’s a mystery to them because there’s no there’s no evidence of any meteors or anything so so you have this scenario this doomsday scenar though with this concave
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ver it’s scary it’s scary to a lot of people but um you know you think if the if the when the sun stopped that the ancient people actually had seen the mechanism at the center of the sky and that’s why these myths of pyramids and you know that have have appeared in and the calendar for example I don’t know I think yeah what I think I think the the whatever you want to call them the anunaki or the Nephilim or whatever I think they had knowledge of the pyramid you know they you know when the sons of
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God got kicked out of heaven you know they came down to earth I think they had the blueprints the knowledge that’s why the like that they can build the Pyramid of Giza with such accuracy and so I think that there you know Pro pre flood civilization had a greater understanding a greater firsthand knowledge of what was up there the sons of God they talk it talks about in Job 38 the sons of God shouted for Joy when they built the foundations of the earth and they talk about laying a Cornerstone on the top and so
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you have this knowledge of that they brought down with them and so that’s what I think anyway well sure I mean to to go along with sort of what you’re saying a little bit different you know how all the ancient civilizations have depictions of um Saturn and you have the Saturn uh Pagan style religion the the god of Saturn and stuff like this right with the glass guy as you say formed After the flood you know it’s it’s the opposite of the canopy theory yes and what what that glass guy does is it basically helps
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block a barrier I think it was much more clearer back then before the glass guy was formed so these people actually can see Saturn because sat Saturn is also referred to as a sun they called that the second sun in some of these civilizations you know you have the samarians had you know they can see all the planets quite clearly so I I I think that glass guy with whatever refringence is or whatever there is for optical change has distorted The View so it seems like everything’s so far away now yeah I even actually considered whether
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or not pre flood before the glass Sky we we can actually see more of of the land you know curving upward or maybe we can see across the other side of the Earth but you know just conjecture but I think it’s very it’s very possible but with that glass Sky it changed a lot I mean you know there’s records you know there’s fossils of giants you know 10 14 20 feet tall you know and then you look at some of the blocks the blocks on the pyramid or blocks of Stonehenge and and you you get the understanding
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that that people were much bigger much stronger they lived longer you know scripture in Genesis they talk about people living up to 96 69 years and so what I came to understand is that well my just matter of process of deduction is basically that within a hyper Hyperbaric atmosphere uh you know where there’s a greater amount of oxygen those conditions are possible where you can live longer and you are stronger and you’re bigger you know you look at you know when they show you comparison of vegetables like a you have like a 20 lb
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tomato that was grown under hyperbar conditions versus just a regular tomato and so pre flood I believe without that glass sky I believe that there was a higher uh well we have we have nitrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere predominantly but mostly it’s nitrogen and nitrogen is lighter than oxygen it’s a seven versus an eight and so I believe pre flood that this nitrogen was staying comfortably above the oxygen and so all the oxygen was really close to the ground it was not diluted with the nitrogen and so but after the glass Sky
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formed it actually compressed all that nitrogen at the top and mixed it in with the oxygen so we have a now now we have a lower amount of oxygen it’s everything is more compressed and and so that’s that’s my theory about why um we can’t live as long we can’t grow as big you know we can’t get as strong After the flood that’s interesting yeah I mean even in football they put them in the chambers for you know those oxygen Chambers to try to promote healing yeah things like that and uh you know o we got those people
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walking around with the oxygen tanks stuff like that so I mean it it it makes sense you know and this is just one of the things that that people got to understand I mean once you get past certain basic foundational Concepts you can start moving on and more things make sense than before yeah you know just like as we’re explaining so I mean it it’d be great if more people would have an open mind yeah I think there’s it’s it’s I think we’re slowly making progress we got some good YouTubers out there Joseph
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Winthrop he’s making he’s going out there and he’s actually making uh he’s going out with a laser and he’s he’s he’s surveying the land he’s showing that you know it’s impossible to have this convex Earth or even a flat Earth for that matter so it’s um and I welcome you maybe this this can be like the first installment of of of more sessions to come with with other people as well and you know we can just grow from there but um well I I I think as far as progress in concave earth goes if we look back at
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cellular cosmology or cosmogony is uh the book from Cyrus Steed and the carians you know some of the concepts were trying to be worked out and I think today we have I mean imagine if we had as many scientists working on concave Earth as we have for the heal Ecentric model there would be so much more things answered already yeah and we’ve we’ve only seen the progression o over the last 100 years plus of concave Earth theory being more solidified and making more and more sense and then we don’t have to scratch our heads when new
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scientific data comes out like the HELOC Centrist yeah they’re always getting this data and wondering how it fits in their model yeah you know we see the data and we say well that just backs up what we’re already saying and you know you do this a lot on YouTube as well yeah well to me I just have to guess is that the power structures within each country they know the Earth is concave but it’s like they they purposely keep the stuff secretive for whatever reason you know one it’s it’s not a
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money-making you know model two it’s it’s too scary for the public to realize this you know so three have all these dignitaries all these luminaries in science you know you have Neil the ass Tyson and people like that that would be totally ridiculed so it’s like there’s so there’s no incentive really for the public to embrace this truth but you know within my eschatological understanding you know it’s you don’t have much choice in the end cuz you know we’re on a we’re on a time schedule here
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you know things are going to start happening so this shit’s going to hit the fan soon so it’s it’s really a wakeup call for people to get with a program you know you guys want to continue living in la la land fantasy land and take that blue pill and go to sleep you know or you know listen to me listen to you know to you guys and you it’s I I just want just say I really appreciate you guys coming out and you know John and Damian you guys starting your own blogs here and and going we just talk about you know my
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friend McKelly he’s actually talking about putting together a production a concave Earth production he’s he’s actually a a movie producer and so we’re talking about putting that together Damien and is helping with the script on that so there’s a lot of good things down the pike for people to believe in the truth the reality so what do you think is the single most asked question um immediately in response to this uh to presenting this Theory to somebody that you guys have heard what’s on the
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outside I think I think that’s the most I don’t know what about you John what do you what do you get well as far as uh answering something like what’s on the outside I I asked them well why is the heliocentric space system finite instead of an infinite plane you know I mean sometimes you got to you got to ask the questions back to them do does it matter what’s on the outside yeah exactly doesn’t matter we can’t prove that so you know ultimately it’s not going to matter you know I mean
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this is where they can’t prove things and you know you guys talking about multi-dimensions parallel universes dark matter which is basically the new ether you know linguistic placeholder for ether is dark matter I mean it’s just all Ridiculousness you know and it just it’s more and more wild take one wrong idea and start compiling all new ideas that don’t make any sense because they’re all based on one wrong idea exactly it’s like just [ __ ] they’re just like putting Bondo on their car oh
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we got to fix this Dent right here oh no there’s another dent over here we got just I I think the main problem is the idea that there at this concave it it as you know after you get past the Earth not being in any motion whatsoever it’s now the shape of the earth that becomes an issue um you know and and this is what this is what the flat earthers struggle with you know they they struggle with the re delineator and nobody will reproduce it it’s it’s been if you go onto my blog you’ll see what I call the
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legendary article where they actually put up a challenge they say Hey you do your own geodetic okay prove us wrong exactly and even to this day all they can do is ridicule it come up with you know erector sets and yeah try to yeah you know other stupid nonsense it you know it’s the happy coincidences in science it’s a happy coincidence that the infometer arm shrunk just enough to not show the Earth’s motion or go ahead go ahead yeah it’s a happy coincidence that the rect delineator sags just yes
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exactly it’s the exact measurements you would expect if Earth was convex exactly except it’s a happy coincidence it showed it to be concave so they they call the information no but there’s data and there’s proof so it’s it’s foolishness yep you know and like I said it they are very scared that if these things are redone and proven and special relativity gets removed the Earth is the geod actic survey gets done again and and defines the proof they are so scared because all these Sciences like I
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explained before have to change yep everything we know is wrong exactly everything there already sort of backpedaling when the the new plank image the Access of Evil data it basically says that we’re kind of at the center of everything which right you know kind of blows the whole big bang out of the water unless it happened like right here exactly that’s crisis you saw my article that they put it on a uh a ball they they mapped it out on a ball which is you know Stephen put the Milky Way band on the celestial sphere where
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it belongs and they also do the same exact thing interesting yes indeed there’s no reason to believe we’re the Milky Way is a spiral galaxy it’s it’s a band it’s it it has a function it actually you know the be is showing a dipole it’s showing that this this universe has a DI it has two hemispheres and so the Milky Way band is actually dividing it and there’s two different opposing currents in each kind of hemisphere and so you understand how the Sun is operating how it’s how this
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band or whatever depending on what hemisphere the sun is it’s steering the sun either north or south and so that’s why we have this you know the cylindrical orbit of the sun which actually oscillates and it moves up into North and South there six months and so it performs a function so it’s uh it just everything just makes sense and so I think that’s the thing about the concav the is once you start embracing the concept you really start to make sense of a lot of different aspects of Mythology and science that
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can’t be explained it’s just it’s kind of like a Cascade of yeah you know Revelations at that point you’re just like okay I can see it it makes sense now and especially when seeing your graphics the hard work that you into that is like I mean it’s immense because I mean I couldn’t I couldn’t even imagine putting that all together but it perfectly illustrates exactly what you can’t really conceptualize when you’re thinking about it just in terms of you know this it’s kind of a nebulous
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concept of having spheres in the sky Etc but when you see it actually working in in your working model it yeah you don’t know it’s inspiring you know you can actually see the model yeah yeah I appreciate that so well we’re just good work man you did EXC thank you thank you you deserve well just U I want to get the truth out there you know it’s so it’s good that you’re using your skills as an artist to to to do that because I think that it this a state you know science that needs to be dressed
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yeah well I yeah I left the rat race I left the rat race of corporate Graphics a long time ago just it’s got to it’s got to be a better another reason for me having this ability this talent and so I’m going to put it to good use awesome awesome that you have the ability to grasp the you know the complex math involved in that as well well I try not you know I’m not a mathematician but um sure sure you have their math and their math inverted is is equally um as acceptable and they admit to this yeah so all all
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you’re doing is basically inverting their math through diagrams and visual people need Visual Evidence you know and I mean we could do a whole show on what the heck is wrong with heliocentrism and I I put article to support like wild heretic and stuff like that with the seasons Stephen makes the seasons in the concave Earth and everything is exactly as it’s observed from our perspective on Earth we’re seeing Polaris always where it belongs we’re seeing the Sun never going into a northern Arc in the
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summertime you know it it stays where it’s supposed to be and everything is working in the heliocentric model you can’t explain the aess always pointing at Polaris the sun’s Arc in proper uh locations and it it’s supposed to be going 300 million kilometers in in a travel around elliptical orbit around the sun you can’t show all these things and explain the seasons in any simple form like a diagram which the concave Earth can do without a problem exactly or the moons for that matter the orbit
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the Motions of the moons of the Moon I should say um yeah it’s it’s it’s like he you know you have that graphic one of your recent articles aam’s Razer you know it’s the simplest answer is the best answer and so there’s no reason to have this elliptical orbit of the moon Moon and and the whole idea of tital locking and just it just like you said it’s a happy coincidence that the that the moon just happens to make one full rotation every orbit and just it’s so the face the same facei of the
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moon is always facing Earth yeah oh no that’s that’s that’s a little too coincidental I think your diagrams of the retrograde motions of the planets was was excellent too you can it’s just basically a push pull motion yeah it’s I mean I just I just went in stellarium and I just I just I just wrote down the right ascensions of the planets and I just you know I just went into my 3D program and I just mapped them out and so that’s how they work and so it’s it’s an accurate plotting of the
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planets and it shows how the Sun is affecting the planets it’s pushing and pulling them it’s you know it’s it works out so yeah and you’re using their math aren’t you yeah well yeah just using what what’s observed through you know I mean there’s no reason for me to you know recalculate what’s already observed by by astronomers you know it’s like but but that’s what I mean they you need to have the ax rotating you need to have it on a 2 point you know 23.5 degree access
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you needed to go around the Sun in order to explain planetary retrograde and call it not actually happening mhm which is one of the biggest problems they had when they were starting to get into hel hel centrism versus geocentrism it it it’s just one of the things that I mean at that time it may have helped heliocentrism but at this time we don’t have to say that’s not real we say that data is real and we have the reason why right yep exactly that’s great we had a great talk here it’s it’s going over an hour now
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but um yeah we should do this again and uh you know we’ll invite other people as well and so absolutely presented bit of evidence for people to look into this this episode yes thank you for having me yeah okay guys well uh look for the link I’ll I’ll shoot you guys the link and uh you guys have a great evening guys thank you very much Stephen nice meet you take care buddies Dam you too bye [Music] [Music] [Music] he
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[Music] in the Eartha there are so many wonderful treasures and if you know where to dig you will find gold and diamonds all kinds of treasures but if you don’t know where to dig all you find is rocks and dirt we can show you what where to dig and what to dig for but the digging you must do yourself no matter what we tell you you’re going to have to go back confirm verify anything you hear you hear the scientist out there you hear physics whatever it is Concepts make sense verification may change what the concept actually means
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oh I’m sorry you know what as far as what’s been going on you know there’s always stuff going on talking to people every day there’s new people getting interested all the time and uh everybody got questions everybody you know they want to bombard you with all kinds of stuff when they get excited because they’ve never heard of all the concepts that you know throw away gravity try The Ether you know try new Concepts try things yeah and now you see where you get but I I think everybody has to take
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down just slow down a little bit you have to try to learn what the model is and forget what you think you know because you tend to run comparisons against things you’ve been taught your whole life life you know the more you study the more you find things are not always what they seem you know so that I mean that’s pretty much what’s been going on in our the blog and everything else but um Joseph how about you uh yeah well for me specifically I I got into this in uh November so it’s been pretty recent but excuse me um yeah
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what what specifically go ahead we I’m sorry we have Peter Peter joined us but go ahead Joseph tell us tell us about it hi Peter hi Steve how are you good we’re just talking to Joseph win right now he’s talking about how he came to understand the concave Earth so he’s he saying back in you were saying back in November right Joe yeah yeah so um yeah it started in November for me and before that I I just went straight to the concave I didn’t I saw the Flat Earth people and I thought it was kind of silly and then when I came
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AC when I came across the concave Earth I thought it was pretty interesting and I was it yeah yeah so yeah remember you you initially started I was like who is this guy this guy I mean he’s acting just like a little me he’s like Anda put this person on detention Yeah well yeah I felt that’s that’s one of the biggest things is that I I I was like who is this person you know it was the same thing so that’s why it was a fast process for me yeah it’s like you just you got it you clicked it you you totally just
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understood and just went with it and yep it was really it’s really uh quite a help dealing with all you know all the all the criticism and the trolls and stuff yeah definitely and so you you were like determined to go out and conduct geodetic experiments well I just wanted to do something yeah and so you’re I mean you said you had a background in electronics right yeah I mean just a little bit I I used to uh get uh broken Xboxes and repair them kind of like a hobby but oh you’re only yeah that that kind of warmed me up
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into it that’s great so how many actual uh laser experiments have you conducted um whatever I uploaded to YouTube is all I really did I mean I tried to do more but there’s problems with like no trespassing and you know people are kind of uh they’re kind of paranoid about yeah me being with the laser at night yeah whatever they didn’t call the cops on you do they well I had I mean one time there was a park ranger he was pretty nice so he just told he just told us to leave and one I there’s another
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time where this guy came out and yelled at me he’s like yo you need to leave the park is closed BL blah whatever I just have to deal with that so you went out there with your dad then or what yeah I went out with my dad my step brother and my friend oh okay each different times but my dad helped the most so and so you did a a you did a 20 mile test and then you did a few shorter shorter range tests right yeah the 20 and 12 and a half mile that was was my step brother because he lives in Antioch and it was
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perfect perfect distance for that and so my dad yeah go ahead go ahead your D my dad helped me with the other ones Johnny Johnny got any questions for Joe yeah I just got I gotta just say I got this strange uh repeating feedback so yeah you got what you got to do is on your Von live Channel there’s a little that little play button you got to mute the v m the audio there that makes sense yeah I have’t muted I’m hearing you guys twice and Peter if you I don’t know if you if you’re on my Von Channel too you
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got to mute the volume there okay there not on V so live stuff people okay all right take it away John what do you got what do you have to ask Joseph well unfortunately I missed the a bunch of what you said but we go on anyway we were talking about his experiments his laser experiments uh he we talked about he went out with his dad and he was uh he had a few alter altercations with neighbors and park rangers but and then he did the 20 m test he did a 12 mile test and uh yeah go ahead the flashlight uh was that
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was kind that was the one I did with my friend and um that one was kind of a fail yeah that I have I put a video about that um uh it was just I it that’s what led me to suspect that flash flashlight light is different than laser light yeah so Ian it’s not that simple of just you know oh they’re photons blah blah I gu there’s it’s more to that so can you can you expound on that well yeah I think with the flashlight is that it’s basically it’s just more it’s it’s weaker if that makes sense I think the
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laser is more directional and it’s a cohered coherent cated or yeah yeah so I mean the the flash the flashlight was like looking at like uh lamps like a street lamp in the Horizon so I see those were that’s why I think that work or excuse me the laser worked but not that so I I tried it again at that same spot with the laser and it worked so I don’t gotcha yeah so you were able to pick up the laser all the way from the other side then right yep even this was going across the water yeah can you hear that John yes I hear
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it clearly yeah I I wasn’t aware it was going to give me that feedback before yeah so um the different lasers how do they affect the uh curvature um what what do you mean like well it you know in order to shoot a laser across you know 20 M distance according to all the math that we have it’s uh for those um from the observational eye on a convex sphere to the Horizon where you know the Horizon is basically where the fading distance is you know there should be a a you know a part of uh Earth’s mass to block that
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20m laser yeah and light bends upwards towards less density so when you’re shooting different colors of lasers over the water how does that affect the beam of light in order to reach that 20 mil well I I do think the laser light bends I just think it basically bends uh less than like or what you would say ordinary light and I think it’s because like in the in the case of the blue laser at, 1600 Ms in a confined space because of the the Divergence of the actual laser so um I mean I I and my my brother was the
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one who’s sat on the 20 mile and he said he could see it with his like his naked eye he was able to see the the whole time but the camera couldn’t pick it up unless it directly like it was directly in front of the camera so um that’s after that I think that’s might be the last time for a while that I do that a laser test there’s a I talked with Steve about another idea so I’m working on on that one but um yeah as far as the wavelengths go I I don’t think it really matters the color as
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long as if it’s powerful enough and it the light shouldn’t spread too much or else it won’t be visible at all right so just the simple fact that you could shoot the laser over 20 miles it that should dispel the idea that the Earth was convex yes yeah I think so but I mean there are better ways to go and measure and prove things that’s why I always all well what do you got I mean the rec delineator is one and I consider I consider your laser shooting 20 miles distance um an appropriate uh you know
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um a helping of showing another example what the reator is trying to show yeah it’s more of like a confirmation if if that makes right yes yes so what what else you got that might uh prove the curvature of the earth well uh that sex tent idea uh it’s like a what they use for navigation and at uh in uh Celestial navigation in the oceans that’s it’s like a protractor with the mirrors um you can measure the angular distance between something something like a tower or something that’s at at a distance if
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you can measure the angular distance that could also give you uh a measure of curvature so that’s that’s what I plan on doing next I’ve seen them uh two people post on uh YouTube uh showing that and it being removed within 10 minutes really wow yeah after showing it showing what the Sextant idea yeah the Saxon idea I didn’t know anyone else came with that came up with that you mean pulled off the internet like removed yeah and then I I talked to the guy about it I sent him an email and he said
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I don’t know why they removed it and I’m not you know trying to create waves so and and the other guy kind of just disappeared so well hey I I’ll I’ll still do it I me you know can’t hurt no harm no foul it’s not like you know let me uh pull up a diagram because I was uh keep talking but I was I’m going to pull up a diagram just kind of basically show the mechanics it’s pretty yeah but that that’s a very good idea using a sax a sax apparently can actually show the distance of how far the Sun and the Moon
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are from the earth interesting yeah I was just thinking about the curvature though um what I was telling Joe what he should try to do and it just came to me I’m I wasn’t I was thinking you know there’s got to be another way instead you know like the rectal linear is a great it’s I mean it’s it’s it’s kind of nobody’s ever reconducted and it does take a lot of thought to actually build one and you know I have to get it you got have to be near the you the ocean you have to have like the qu on
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next to it so we don’t you know you have to comp you don’t have the Tide Water Rising and lowering and stuff so there’s a lot of precision that has to go into it but as far as like a simple simplistic experiment how I just don’t know if it’s if the distance is long enough here I’ll just pull this up in the screen here but well you know if you look at the studies that were done for um the laser level the German or polish guy I know the original write up is in uh another language so it’s not familiar
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to me like that but the wild her oh yeah yeah wrote about him with the um the dummy level yep and then shooting the lasers on each side with the dummy level this experiment um showing the light curves upwards yep willham Martin yep yeah um where was I going with this well anyways with the light curving upwards you know I want to I want to see what uh what do you what do you think Joe the light curves upwards right it’s even less with the laser then you have the the the the confrontation of this idea is with a convex sphere what
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they’re showing you is the light will go actually around and curve down to you know it it has to go up on a convex ball it has to go up past that Horizon with you know with a 20 miles what they’re trying to say is in a 20 mile distance at 10 miles the light actually goes up and then it goes back down and then down even further to see that 20 mile distance that’s how they try to explain away the curvature of the Earth being concave so what do you think about that yeah they i’ I’ve had a couple of people
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say that say oh special relativity uh I I don’t even know how that makes sense but they say they say that because of uh Rel it it bends or some people have said ref fact I don’t know another guy today said that it it scatters like the same reason why the sky is blue the blue light scattered over oh yeah they come up with all all different ideas so that’s why I said you know what I’ll go ahead yeah I I did the 20 mile I think that’s good enough for now I’ll try something else and focus on other
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stuff you made another video about uh why the sky is blue it’s kind of similar to my idea with the with the glass but um but um real quick here just wanted to point out this experiments up on my screen um I was thinking about you know if he had something high enough like a radio tower or a lighthouse would probably be better because a lighthouse is by the water and you’re at zero you know as long as you don’t have a tide going up or down you’re at 0 degrees sea level but anyway um basic it’s just you know
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simple trigonometry you know if you have a 1,000 foot tall radio tower you just simply walk off that same distance and you have three curves going on if it’s concave it’s curving up straight or convex now in Tri trigonometry you know this is the right this is the right triangle and so it’s actually an isoceles so this is going to be 45 degrees if the land is flat however that angle is going to be greater if the land is concave or the angle is going to be lower than 45 if if the land is convex I just don’t know if there’s if that’s you
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know if it’s long enough distance to actually get any kind of deviation from 45° and plus the fact that light does Bend and I guess it’d probably be doing it at night would probably be more beneficial because during the daytime light tends to bend more when the sun is out so but that was the experiment so so basically you know just going out there with the Sextant you know in in yeah measuring the angle so that’s what I was thinking about doing as long as you as long as you got a a level surface like the water um in a
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level water area it should work out um what one of the things I I wanted to get this through because there there’s going to be a lot of people listening right now we’re going to say the the whole problem that we were discussing with with the light bending over and everything else what we got to know is the refractive index of air is less than that of water vapor mhm so the air and the water you know there’s virtually no difference between a vacuum and um the water vapor um as far as the refractive index
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goes right so you’re going to get virtually nothing and then with light bending upwards as the studies show the light basically goes pretty much straight and then starts to curve in an upwards manner right yeah being that the you know water BAS is also less dense than the air you know not only is this uh you know a really small amount of refraction but late traveling into a denser medium like water vapor to air would refract away from The Observer not towards them exactly yeah so if anything that’s more
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in our favor uh yeah this their whole their whole explanation about you know why the Sun appears before we actually see the daylight and you know because of atmospheric refraction well yet there is refraction going on but it’s not because of the air I mean there’s glass you know that’s creating that’s why there’s a squishing of the Sun and the Moon that’s not I mean there’s the the gradient of of refraction in air is not going to it’s not going to be that significant I mean you’re talking 0.0000 Z whatever 29
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or whatever so it’s not going to cause that much refraction that’s all there’s to it and so they I can’t get around that look I I did the math on uh on the calculator and um you know you could pull up the math and do it yourself if you’re you know physics math Savvy basically it turns out it to be able to view a 20 mile distance even for the laser to have reached that far with just that math and I and I’m going to get to my point right after this but with just that math you would need to be
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on an elevation of 260 ft just about that a little bit higher in order to see a visible distance of 20 miles away MH now what I’m saying is the math gets really complicated because these concepts are so simple they sound simple and this goes with what I told you before you got to do the digging yourself you can you look at the concept it sounds simple but then you have to include the bending of light you have to include you know the densities you have to include what you’re going over you like there’s these other um statistics
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that have to do with everything that’s why when we view these things mathematically we’re creating structures that don’t necessarily reflect um reflect reality mhm so that’s why experiments are needed to get rid of this concept and see if the concept actually makes sense or not if we can’t verify the concept well it works conceptually but not realistically which is the same thing that math does yeah you know MH exactly yeah uh yeah the 260 ft thing I that can’t be explained especially with
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recording it with a cheap camera because I was thinking I was going to have to get a DSL the single or excuse me DSR whatever the single reflex single yeah single lens reflex but those are too expensive and that’s I I I’m Whoever has that whoever can whoever already has one and has a laser can afford it maybe sometime they can do it so well Joe what why don’t you tell you know you have a video about this but why don’t you explain to anybody who’s listening how they can do this themselves and check
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for the curvature of the Earth with the lasers like you did yeah okay well I mean you can you can really do it on any type of um any or excuse me any distance I would say I would say about two at least two miles I mean if you want to just prove it for yourself like with your friend all you need to do is have somebody um stand on one side and you it’s very simple you shoot you would shoot at a height less than what what the calculated bul should be for what what you know for the planet model planetary model well if we just
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did a foot a foot and and you were able because about six feet we should be able to see about three miles with our nak it out right so it’s also the perspective of how many inches do you think per mile does a curve um eight the first Mile right yeah it’s eight the first mile and then it’s because it’s curved because it because it’s a circle it’ll be like 32 inches a second mile yeah okay so the the longer the distance see if I can get that information for you right now like for like five miles
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really if you’re about 3 feet that that should work cuz the bullet should be four four I think it’s 4.1 feet on five in five miles and yeah that one that one really works that one well I I’m in here in Chester Town Maryland and i’ I’d love to find somebody do with me uh down here in the Chesapeake Bay and uh get a boat in the center and to see if I can measure if there’s an actual you know drop yeah that would be nice yeah that would be good that’s a good idea definitely six drops from the chat says
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in the Navy we have something called a son Sono boy Sono buy dropped at the right depth of the ocean at the right temperature one can hear a whole hemisphere perhaps one should examine sound waves more that’s a good interest that’s a good good idea there know yeah so how do you refute I mean there’s a lot of flat earthers that think that well yeah it’s not concave it’s it’s we see it it’s flat I mean you’ve seen you’ve seen what I’ve I’ve practically tore apart Flat
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Earth theory and Y on my my videos lately but um what do you think it is about them why do you think they’re just so incorrigible into embracing concave Earth reality well uh ultimately I just think it it’s mainly a re like a rebellious type of thing after after seeing the concave Earth I mean I could maybe understand a little bit if they just went from convex to flat and then you know they’re discovering uh researching and you know learning about NASA and all this stuff but I I person I don’t
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understand I really I don’t I think they just have a problem with you at the end of the day well and you you made a video about them G you know they want they’re greedy you know yeah that too that too yeah and they want to sell their books and they want to sell the products and they want and they’re they don’t care if they’re gen they’re they’re dising genous or not well they don’t even have to believe in the flatter Theory they see it’s an opportunity for them to make some money right I mean see it I I think
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some of them can’t get past what they can see and and you know that’s where the problem comes in corre is what what they perceive as reality and and you tell them that there’s something else out there just beyond your reality a different dimension that’s concave and and they they don’t want to hear it it’s it’s interesting exactly it’s uh you know it’s just what was that the zetic philosophy you know it’s just what we see that’s what we observe we can’t be anything differently no
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don’t that’s not that simple guys I’m sorry but I’ve actually um there was a a flat earther who actually invited me to his Forum cuz he was banned from the main International Flat Earth Society for you know hosted by Eric do buy my book and [ __ ] that’s good but he was yeah this guy I mean the whole Flat Earth movement is in shamble if you really look at it they’re all in disarray you have these they’re all at each other’s throats you got Dubai Dubai fighting with Sergeant Sergeant thinks
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he’s a shill and then you got uh boand Bo’s just a FR Loop but uh but I guess this guy was like he was saying that they banned him from The Forum because he wouldn’t speak out against the Jesuits or he wouldn’t speak out against um I don’t know but he thought he was a shill and so like you know I I I had a guy who had a conversation with him he seemed like a real nice guy he’s from Italy just and he he’s a real nice guy and so I I said okay I’ll join I’ll I’ll join your forum and so they have their
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own little Forum there and actually John you you joined as well too because I told you about it but yeah in the rect delineator yeah Forum I actually put the cellular cosmogony there yes I saw that you know it’s about 240 Pages worth of what the Rick l i mean look I get this okay I’m sure you get this I’m sure anybody else who’s trying to help people get this gets this sort of feedback I I get this very fast okay I ask have you you ever heard of the rec delineator okay the the response comes back as yes
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and it was of poor design it’s not rigid and it sagged and it was done by a pseudo scientific crackpot well congratulations you just reiterated everything simc just said and have no thought process for yourself right yeah they want a quick convenient answer to dismiss it and they don’t even look want to even look at yeah but there are presumptions yeah exactly exactly do do do the experiment yourself I mean with the laser experiment what Joseph’s doing is saying Hey listen I’m going to see for myself if I’m going to try to verify
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this the best way I can so you go out and you do an experiment you try to figure it out if you can’t do an experiment and you don’t have the equipment well then you got to do more research you can’t just listen to somebody like don’t listen to us don’t just listen to what we say go look and verify what we’re telling you exactly you know I mean when they tell what look how how is it that we have the same thing I said last time the Happ if indeed the reator sagged they did everything possible to remove any sort
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of claims of sagging any sort of you know as press it took four weeks to calibrate the device every single time they mooved this thing and it was they and they flipped it upside down every time they moveed and they had all these Skeptics all these convex Skeptics look make making sure it was done properly yeah and you have the 25,000 M circumference yeah yeah exactly you know we we get to the point where it okay if it’s sagged why is it the happy coincidence that it sagged the exact same identical measurement if it was a
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convex spere Just In Reverse to show its concave how is the the SAG that precise I mean you you’ve gota you’ve got to have a big imagination to say it was perfectly incorrect what are the chances let’s let’s calculate that let’s see I I stressed the word perfectly on the incorrect part but it’s just completely I mean it’s just insane that this experiment has never been publicly re reconducted especially because it proved so controversial the evidence I mean the results I mean you can’t just say oh the
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beam sa construct this little freaking recor set and oh yeah I think the beam sack move next no dud this is this is a this is a this is a life Cher this is a this if this gets out to have any credibility whatsoever this rewrites every science book in the classroom every astronomy every as too much work it’s it’s just too much money lost too much work too much recognition lost and no we don’t want to admit that heaven is a real place place and God is real no we don’t want to admit that yeah let’s just keep on going backwards and
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see how far we get look I I I got this guy um this guy here David makes the uh the videos trying to disb flatter pull the the camera away from a boat and shows a convex Earth he’s asking me questions now he says I made a simple illustration of a concave Sunrise does this really look plausible and he sent me this link of this thing now here’s the thing I asked him is your program capable of bending light do you know the amount the light actually bends to input this information into your computer before you run this
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simulation exactly this is what I’m saying the con he uses it on the concept because there’s more you need to know beforehand so exactly yeah he he’s uh special effects but he he uses LightWave and I use light wave and LightWave cannot bend the light so I know well yeah uh that’s another the light bending is another thing about the Flat Earth if they have to admit that light bends then they have to admit that the sun is moving in a uh how how do I say a concave it it would have to move abiding to the concave Earth model so
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they yeah well um Steve check this out he asks me this how come refraction of the glass sky does not distort the Stars especially near the edges where it’s thicker and then he says uh through a crystal ball I you know I wonder where do we see the thickness of the edge of this bowl because we never see it because our eyes never get that far you know what I’m saying you don’t you’re not going to see The Edge you’re not going to see The Edge Edge of the celestial sphere I I had that one morphing the sky SK video
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where where I just like pull a convex ceiling and I wrap it and I invert it so it’s a concave Dome so you’re not going to see The Edge and uh but there is actually the glass does just create the refraction along the perimeter of the Stars that’s why it squishes things like that but um the glass sky is evident it’s they call it lensing I mean they call it red shifting they I mean there’s so much proof that there’s glass it’s not this it’s not mass they say well mass is distorting the Stars it’s it’s
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it’s you know Lawrence Cross will pull up a graphic and it’ll show what looks like something viewed through a a warped frosted glass or something and it it’s because it really is I explained that I I show well this is this is how you know if you don’t understand there was a global flood if you don’t understand that there’s a glass Sky a Celestial crystalline firmament that was damaged during the flood because stars are created by some Amin Essence uh I believe they clustered together during
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Before the Flood and they melted holes through this glass and then they eventually healed back together so now you have this bumpy surface of the glass guy that’s the reasons why that’s the reason why I believe we have what they call gravitational lensing is it’s simply real glass lensing that’s why we have the red shifting that’s that’s why we that’s why we have different uh different red shift readings from quazars quazars are supposedly have a very high red shift but um they found that this one
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particular quazar has as a jet like it’s connected to a Galaxy so it’s like well how can that be quazar are supposedly so far away because they have this very high red shift yeah they refute themselves yeah no if you understand you’re just looking through a warped glass and different regions of the glass is going to create a greater aberration of red a red a red shift and it’s going to project this this Fringe on this particular quazar that happens to be it could it’s probably even closer than the
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than the galaxies that it’s it connected to so all right well let’s get let’s get into colors and temperatures for a minute because I don’t think red shift even occurs to be able to tell you distances Joe you want with with the colors of the Sun or colors of temperatures and things like that and then uh you know wavelengths well why don’t you uh you know tell us about the colors of temperatures and then yeah if if you can tell by wavelength of the color spectrum that something is actually distantly away from
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you yeah that’s I guess that’s that’s their theory on how they calculate the distance they look at the color temperature and then uh they plug that in to Cal basically calculate how far how far it is so if it if it’s uh I think if it’s if red uh the whole repeat that I think we lost your audio there for a second okay can you hear me yeah okay now I said that so the you’re talking we’re talking about the red shift right yeah or the colors the color temperature of stars so yeah there if there’s a because there’s
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a glass Sky it throws everything off because you know they’re looking at the they’re looking at the stuff and they’re saying okay this one’s red this one’s blue uh you know that means this the Stars hot than the color temperature though they look at the uh the uh luminosity and all this other stuff to get an idea of of how far and what what they’re actually looking at but and so in essence what you were saying is that the sun is actually a lot hotter than it appears to be due to the color temperature of yeah I
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yeah I think so because if if it since if it is small since it is small um it’s there’s no way it could be I mean maybe it could but I don’t think it could be 58 5800 Kelvin because Ju Just mathematically with the uh the uh radiant flux so we have a solar constant we can we can measure how much uh uh watts per square meters of light is coming in and if it’s if it’s a 5800 Kelvin Sun it would have to be a giant it would have to be what they say it is the star gas giant whatever but if it’s it’s being gelled
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this is being gelled through a colored gel so yeah like a a color correction filter like yeah it could be glass too the gels are just like these well yeah yeah I mean theater they have gel lighting and stuff but yeah so it actually can uh give diminish the apparent temperature of the S yeah and the glass guy is a perfect color to do that so being yellowish green yeah exactly so it it it makes sense it adds up yeah you want to talk about the Cavin your your video on the cavish experiment oh yeah the the gravitational
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constant yeah I think I think you nailed it I mean um yeah okay so yeah that’s that’s how that’s what they used to calculate the 9.8 MERS how fast the rate at what Things Fall they uh Henry Cavendish Henry kevish keves excuse yeah it was like sometime in the 1700s he went and he took these massive lead balls and um he measured a pseudo attraction it it appeared to be the smaller balls appeared to be a attracted toward the bigger balls and that’s that’s what they concluded that it’s okay that’s gravity and then I mean it
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was before that with Newton but that that’s what really gave the uh the mathematics weren’t were came out with cendes so right but if we understand that there’s an ether permeating the Earth and what Tesla what Tesla believed is that this Universal compression this ether is affecting it’s it’s affecting objects within the medium of ether and So within the same experiment you can simply say that the bigger steel balls or the bigger blocks of lead or whatever the bigger objects were actually
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obstructing The Ether on that side and so on the other side of the small ball it has it unobstructed ether that’s how I this is how I’m interpreting it has unobstructed ether and it simply can push the small the small small ball into the big ball or the block of blad is that is that where you getting at yeah that’s yeah that’s that’s exactly it that’s and they tried it they did the same thing with the uh with a mountain I can’t pronoun it’s going to be hard for me to pronounce it shyen um it’s a m it’s a
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mountain in Scotland right or they had a pendulum and they measured a deflection right in the in the pendulum swing and they concluded okay so the the mountain is pulling the pendulum torta basically but it’s really obstructing The Ether yeah you could look at it both ways and really I mean I come because now that we know what after the rectal rectal experiment that we’re living inside of the earth that there’s no way I could have been attracting it because I would just that that wouldn’t work at all so right
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there’s there’s more but that’s that’s all I really know for now about that so well the the ether’s uh one of the things that I’ve always had an interest in because uh you know the explaining a way of data um which is what special relativity was for keep light constant which like decays over time I’m not sure if everybody’s aware of that but everything decays in this universe eventually you have a state of decay so light traveling these you know hundreds of millions of light years um seemingly
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doesn’t make sense because the the light would have to have an infinite range of energy right and the energy is decaying as the light is traveling so when we’re getting these numbers and stuff it it just doesn’t make sense but e either way when we disproved that you know when they were trying to find ether drift they were trying to calculate that with the motion of an earth spinning they didn’t have a motion of the Earth spinning so they said well we can’t detect ether and for some reason we
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can’t detect Earth spins you know it’s like one mistake moned upon another and they talk about you ever hear about ober’s Paradox and this guy older he thought that he said that he said that the star why why is there nighttime if stars are you know there’s why aren’t the stars all the stars in all the galaxies why aren’t they hitting us and why isn’t why isn’t their daytime 24 hours a day and so they had to come with all this the stars are going at Super Sonic speeds exactly exactly light would
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always have to never decay in order for that to even to occur right you know let alone um you know you’ve got these NASA guys telling us that we can’t see light without something to reflect upon well we have a glass guy so the light reflects upon the Glass Guy thus we can see the stars you know they say they need the gold in the reflectors for the astronauts and this is what they say whether you know I I know there’s a controversy of whether we go to space or not but the point is if you shoot a laser for instance you can’t see that
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laser between where the laser sh shooting you only see what it reflects off of unless it’s reflecting on a dust or water moisture or something it needs something to reflect on well this is with all light and um you know so I mean you know I don’t know we’re talking about red shifts chromatic aberration stuff like that and you need a lens in order for any of this stuff to even occur yep yes you do well one of the things I wanted to say I mean there’s a lot of people that you know are so headstrong
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on relativity and relativity must exist and all this other stuff except we can’t prove gravity you know and Einstein later when he removed the The Ether in order to keep the Earth moving he went back on what he said I I got two quotes here I got I got two quotes here okay Einstein says this but on the other hand there’s a weighty argument to be uced um in favor of The Ether hypothesis to deny the ether is ultimately to assume space has no physical quality whatsoever the fundamental facts of quantum mechanics do not harmonize with this
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view another quote is recalculating we must um we may say that according to the theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities okay and in this sense therefore there exists an ether according to the theory of general relativity space space without ether is Unthinkable for in such space there would be no propagation of light but also no possibility for existence of standard of space and time nor any time intervals in a physical sense now you know what do you think well what what what do you think motivated him to
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change his mind like that I mean just like do you think he was like actually pressured to say that or I mean what was it do you have his initial quote of refus The Ether well it it I can I could pull that up he he actually didn’t know about uh Dayton Miller’s experiments and um you know Dayton Miller and him had a problem because of that and uh was that the a biogenesis experiments or no is that something else no not a biogenesis is the beginning of Life okay um they use you know life came Miller came to
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mind didn’t Miller do the a anyway go ahead yeah that that’s uh life came out of a rock sort of thing oh I know where I got this what do you think gravity is do you think it’s a push or pull or I I think it emanates out of the center of the celestial sphere where everything’s rotating you know it’s it’s an electromagnetic type of static Force um yeah I think so too okay so it’s more of a push then yeah yeah yeah Universal compression is is the best way to explain it as where our position is it also explains density
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because gravity doesn’t make any sense I mean you you yourself don’t experience gravity you experience densities well you have to understand there there’s there’s equilibrium going on so there’s that there’s forces pushes and pulls I mean but I believe that initially in the center we have this magnetic you know this we have this octahedral shaped op I believe I’ve never seen it but it’s just my my guess and so it is attracting it’s attracting Metals I believe the sun and the moon are metal and so but also we
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have this push Force that’s exerting from it as well and so there’s this balance that’s created I believe yeah all right let see tobly Tides here here’s a uh a quote from Einstein in a letter to Edwin e SLO um July 8th 1925 okay he says in my opinion Miller’s experiments is the following should the positive result be confirmed then the special theory of relativity and with it the general theory of relativity in its current form will would be invalid okay experimentum sumus judex is what he says
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the only equivalence of inertia and gravitation would remain however they would have to lead to a significant different Theory which is exactly what we’re talking about and by Einstein admitting The Ether has to exist otherwise nothing makes sense he also says right here that General and special relativity also don’t make sense whatever he says whatever you say Albert you’re you’re universally accepted if you ask huh ask opinions sounds like what he’s confused you have a he’s so smart he’s confused
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yep don’t you get just look at the guy come on is this guy really that smart what his his bed head he looks like like Larry Fine from the three sto’s cousin or something like that I don’t know I think I think they have this like I don’t know the Jews or whoever they were the Zionist like let’s prop up some imbecile and let’s make him out to be the most the greatest the smartest man in the world no no no Albert no don’t comb your hair no no just leave it like that it makes me wonder about Stephen
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Hawkings too it’s like is he just like some [ __ ] [ __ ] in a chair Stephen Hawkings is another one definitely is huh most definitely is I don’t know I yeah he really I don’t I’m just wondering I wouldn’t I wouldn’t doubt that they might do something like that let’s see who’s the next [ __ ] we can who’s next imp no but I think they do that on purpose I mean even the flat earthers have um you know this guy he’s got uh he calls himself nasy NASA Wikileaks he’s got the NASA channel for YouTube oh Matt
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Borland uh yeah oh yeah that guy is well but the thing is he he has he has an interview with some guy about um David Hawkin about how uh Ste yeah it’s like a big conspiracy how they keep him in that state I mean personally I don’t see this guy is even talking through a box at all or writing books I mean it it it kind of doesn’t make sense to me I mean you know anybody who similar state that that has apparently the same diseases him and can talk what’s his what is his disease what do they call it
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do you know I I don’t I don’t I don’t know it off hand yeah I just know he used to be normal or something before that and then when he was like 20 something he just that that’s what I read a long time ago I mean I shouldn’t laugh I’m sorry but I feel bad if it’s you know he’s really that way but I don’t believe it well I don’t think we’re laughing at Stephen Hawking I think we’re laughing at the idea that somebody can be in such a position and be able to write books
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and all this other stuff I mean maybe if your mind’s still functioning completely but that’s you know to assume some things and you never noticed they don’t update his voice oh you have you have to keep his voice that that old you know what 80s 7s early talk box boys you know that’s true that’s I don’t listen to him I don’t even know I don’t even know what he sounds like I might have heard him before but I don’t waste my time with those clowns voice ever yeah what do you think
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about Neil the ass Tyson oh my God I I think he he’s a great talker exactly he’s got a personality yeah and um the people like him you know and it it he’s an easy face and you know this came up on a different talk I was listening to that it seems like you know there’s a duality here there’s you know people trying to show the truth and then there’s always the shills the shields seem to be all the good talkers they could talk you know they can get up and you know sophistry they must be trained
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in all this stuff but here’s the thing right you pay anybody enough money and I’m not saying this is Neil deg grassy Tyson but I mean when he said like what’s time when he said some other stuff he’s got like some radio thing that he does I I’m in disagreement with what he says and then he he he sugarcoats a lot of things yeah if you really listen he’s just telling you he’s very manipulative I mean he tries to get you on his side you know come on come on my side but he yeah like you said he’s a
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good talker another good talker and I’m talking about shills Mark sergeant from the fled Earth what do you guys think about markant that’s that’s where that’s one of the things I was you know leading into but you know Mark Sergeant you listen to him the man can talk he could give radio interviews with no problem you know Neil Dei Tyson he could do the same thing and anybody who could talk and sounds like they know what they’re talking about and then you say they have degrees or anything like that the public
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seems to accept it more I mean look if I came in here with a a British voice and I sounded like any what I was talking about for some reason in America I I’m trusted more exactly no that’s true it’s funny yeah you are SM y yeah but never back did he no he never called me back you just look at that guy’s videos it’s just complete PowerPoint presentation of [ __ ] even like things that don’t even make have any bearing of resemblance or re relevance to Flat Earth I’ll just throw this guy with you know he’s got his hand
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on his chin or got a big question mark in the back of his head or you know just [ __ ] it’s just it’s psychological manipulation to the m he knows what he’s doing cuz all most of these most of these the flat earthers they ride on a motion and they ride on yeah go get them yeah yeah Earth is flat that go get a mark and now yeah he’s like a mascot but come on the guy can’t believe that [ __ ] that he’s spewing it’s total freaking Boney well you you know what though I mean you went ahead and you verified his
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the flight times he was trying to say that but that’s my point in the very beginning you need to do your own digging and not just listen to these guys exactly okay the this guy if you watch his video what does he do he says I waited you know I I was watching the flight times and I’m watching the Southern Hemisphere and I’m watching for the plans and then they disappear and then he he’s he he’s explaining I waited and I waited to see these plans and he’s showing like a skeleton by a computer
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and you know the computer like I mean there’s no proof to what he’s saying claims I know exactly but you you’re right he’s got a good voice you know he’s influential and so that what that’s what makes me think you know what’s your [ __ ] incentive Mark Sergeant okay you’re not you’re not supposedly not getting paid for this you’re not make I mean at least on the table you know I don’t know what the [ __ ] your your incentive is for doing this [ __ ] because obviously I busted you over and
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over again you won’t [ __ ] call me back I are you afraid to talk to me Mark what I what the hell is you f going to bust your ass you’re [ __ ] I don’t know yeah the my Gout my the gout video the flip like the distances the distances between cities in South Africa versus like Spain and Portugal supposedly they’re like the same you know amount of miles but I but [Music] um [ __ ] okay but on the map they’re all blown out out of proportion I me come on what the who who are you kidding to have to have actually people
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think that they’re going to believe you and actually there I don’t know it’s like God I never thought when I started disseminating information on the concave Earth that I would have to combat Flat Earth theory I never never thought thought that I was like well I I still don’t know what the point is at the flat earth like I don’t I don’t know what the the goal is of it for the earth to be flat yeah there’s it’s it’s it’s self-seeking individual goals of you know how much
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can we profit off of stupid masses it’s um I don’t know how many how much how much do you think how many books do you think Eric to buy my book made or sold how many you think he’s probably got at least 20 books or so sold or just no he’s he’s got 20 like books written it’s filled with books on one page I I don’t know maybe it do on something like that wow what a bunch of bolog he probably sells a good amount but who knows I don’t know I don’t know anyway I was I was spending some time uh
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doing his uh airport jockeying and trying to figure out flight times I spent about a day on it and it got very frustrated trying to get flights it would connect and um and it was really when I saw your video that you showed some really good evidence of flights that you know went across but yeah it’s about making money you know an airline is not going to I’m sorry to interrupt you but an airline’s not going to like go straight cross if they can make you know pick up some more people pick up some more passengers make some more
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money and fill up their plane and then go back that’s all it is but yeah there are there are direct paths and there’s no way policies there’s no yeah there’s no way on a supposed Flat Earth Paradigm that you can get from this like you know South America to to uh New Zealand in 12 hours if it’s you know if it’s supposedly all the way on the other side it just doesn’t work come on no it it doesn’t work I don’t even know why I like I said before I just don’t I never thought i’ have to battle
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this [ __ ] I thought you know my enemy was always heliocentric convex spinning Earth spinning but wow it’s like well you still have that too so well yeah but you know yeah right but you never thought you would be attacked by flat earther in specifically it’s like like you know flies on [ __ ] did you say that somebody said that like they’re like flies on [ __ ] what the [ __ ] well yeah I I would tend to think that the flat earthers would want to UPG like upgrade and believe some something better like the
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concave well yeah I think I you know like I’m I can see you know it’s it’s part of it’s my fault because I’m like insulting them too much and they don’t want to believe me because they they have this emotional you know aversion toward me but you know I try to apologize to them you know but you know what can I say I I I it I get mad you know I get mad when when I see these people manipulating other people and influencing them to believe is baloney it’s it’s like the shepherd like Wolf
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coming in and stealing your sheep and you get pissed get the fu get the hell out of here well they deserve it deserve to get yelled at in my opinion yeah for the most part yeah all right so you guys got that photo I just sent right yeah okay you you see this this is what they call the Flat Earth Map you know what that really is yeah that’s the azimuthal equidistance map according to Mark Sergeant right it it it’s the map if you were to have a convex ball and look at it from the North Pole down that’s why
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it looks like that it’s not like the you know how they say that the United Nations Flag yeah is the Flat Earth Map right it’s not it’s just the Earth from the top down looking from a top of a ball like this whole conspiracy they wrap a conspiracy around look they know look there’s a there’s these maps and that’s what it really is I mean how foolish can you be you need to do your own research I know that’s crazy yeah I mean of you know it’s just it’s just ridiculous but they say that is
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what really looks like where your cartography comes in you know when you were checking those distances and the distances aren’t going to work of course because we’re looking at it from a different observational perspective in that photo right but it’s a joke it’s just a joke yeah yeah yeah how many people can we get to join the club we’ll just you know pick up stuff as we go along and some they say that the whole thing is moving up too like it’s accelerating oh yeah well you have different camps some people believe that
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but other people don’t I don’t think Dubai believes that cuz like well an airplane would crash into the ground if was lying well sure then you need to have the whole thing like when we talk about if the Earth moves you know you need to have this magical velcro type of structure you know what I mean it it defies any any I mean when we when we take away gravity we insert ether and we insert these other ideas because they make sense yeah when we take away gravity and we take away ether and we tell you the Earth’s moving up but
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magically nothing is moving down like clouds aren’t falling down towards you all the time it just doesn’t make sense yeah well that’s water how does water rise up to the size of the concave earth water rectal linear shows that water is curving but you you refuse to look at the rectal lator I mean it’s even even your laser experiments there’s a a dip in the in the middle of the lake okay so however it’s done whether it’s an ether push or acoustic levitation or whatever Force it’s doing
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it you have you flat Earth’s have a million times more problems than what you think we have problems with which we don’t well what I’d like to say is that I I think Flat Earth is um is very religious it’s it’s taken uh you know out of a bunch of verses from the Bible and stuff like that but the thing is when when it’s easily explained why the water would be the way it is on any other shape besides flat is to also assume that God couldn’t have any creative ability whatsoever you know I
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mean he look look The Horizon stops but you know there’s more after that you know it’s just it’s all I don’t know just like you say I mean you’re getting duped by God EXA exactly well I think yeah you got to look at I mean when you understand concave Earth you understand the retrograde motion of the planets and how the genius behind the Creator who actually created this deception so that it can actually pretty much work if the Earth was supposedly spinning and you you you have this apparent retrograde as opposed to having
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a real retrograde with in the concave Earth um but there’s there’s some little flaws and and I I got to do a little bit more research about it but I hear that comets uh don’t necessarily go into retrograde motion and I’m wondering you know well if that’s is that something I can take advantage of I might have to do a video on that but I got to do some research on that figure that out interesting yeah so they’re they’re lying about the shape of what we’re in um anybody think that
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there could be like more land out there like uh maybe a land is really does exist and they just HIIT it from us well if we look at if we look at things like the flood you know you had all these civilizations yes the flood came and it buried washed away these civilizations so Atlantis maybe it could have existed I mean off the shore of Africa if you look in uh say Google Earth you’ll actually see in the ocean on the bottom there’s like the square type of uh structure that looks like it could have been some sort of city or
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whatever you have pyramids buried off the islands of Japan apparently they found 13 more pyramids underneath Egypt like under the sand I mean how does that happen well that’s exactly what I was goingon to say John that I don’t know how it happens at all I was gonna say this is my I want to I want to say something here go ahead when I talk about concave Earth to other people and they’re not sure um Peter what you said is they’re lying I I’m gonna take that away for a minute I don’t think there’s lying at all I think
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what it was is in initially when they started the heliocentric model it was accepted before it could be verified once it’s accepted before it’s verified this starts to become a predetermined model they’re going to try to filter everything through to prove it this is why they you know they need red shifts because their model promotes a big bang but they have nothing to prove a big bang so they need red shifts to tell you the universe is expanding but then they have conflicting information like um you
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know space is supposed to be an infinite Mass but at the same time it’s only so old so it can only be so big so now they made it finite again I mean right there is a conflict right there but when you go when you go into the Sciences right you start to have a a compartmentalization you have different groups of scientists that are not talking with to each other not sharing information you know you have space and cosmology astronomy that promotes um in the heliocentric model this is what it does it it promotes these dates right
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then these dates tell you how old the Earth is then then because how old the Earth is they come up with asteroids that killed dinosaurs 65 million years ago you know everything you know Evolution takes millions of years nothing’s observable but everything has to be projected millions billions ions because that’s what their model suggests you know you start to take what I’m what I’m what I’m getting at is I think very few people really know the truth yeah and and um but there are people that know the truth and they’re
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suppressing it and um and and whether it’s very intentional it seems to be so yeah Cosmic micro microwave background radio ation is considered by the heliocentric model the Access of Evil because it refutes what they’re saying you know they get the data and they don’t know what it means to their model it’s it’s conflicting it’s confusing but they’re going to run it through filters and hypothetical models to a predetermined bias so it fits in the in their concept it’s not that it’s true
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it’s just that they need it to fit right how dare you give us information I mean they sent three probes up there because they didn’t like what they saw you know they got it back they said oh no we we can’t have this send another probe because that one must be broken right got it back again oh you know what we we’ll wait and send another probe you know they did the W map and then plank what was the first one yeah just like when they tried to they tried to detect gravity waves with the I believe it was
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uh the Libo Libo you know they send this thing up there they get data the data is static they run it through a filter they remove you know whatever static they don’t like because they run it through a hypothetical model well at the end of the day the model is the the data they receive is hypothetical because they washed it through a hypothetical filter with the predetermined bias of heliocentrism MH and you need Gravity the way they say in order for anything to work yeah was that one that one video YouTuber he talked about that he went he
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he broke down Point by Point why gravity didn’t work I forgot his name did you send me that link John long time I forgot his name I’ll look um yeah I I did I actually uh I have a book it’s over there I could go it with my notes of of all these uh experiments that are wrong or they they’ve washed the data right because they conflict with you know relativity they conflict with special relativity and they have to watch the data or or tell you something was broken or you know the delineator sagged or the
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infometer arm shrunk you know they got to make up stuff so their model still works exactly I mean when I do my research and I think when you guys do your research as well no matter I mean we said this last time with the wild Heretics uh quote on the top of his um you know pit website there doesn’t matter what the what the data is the data is what it is okay maybe your hypo your hypothesis could have been wrong but you received data and that data means something we can’t just throw away data from experiments
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because we want to you know what I mean doesn’t fit the Paradigm throw it away yep something else up C that talked about with lence Krauss who’s like oh yeah the dark matter it’s it’s not showing it’s it’s only 30% showing proof of a flat flat universe so we got to find some other way to prove that the UN versus flat oh yeah I didn’t even know that they believe that flat universe thing yeah they do because ultimately I guess it’s an atheistic point of view where they want to believe that something came
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out of nothing so Quantum fluctuations produced a universe that’s what he says so Quantum fluctuations produce the universe yeah the universe must be flat I mean what the [ __ ] are you talking about yeah it doesn’t make any sense at all just shut up yeah yeah know I I think um you know concave Earth is picking up some steam I think it’s its hardest things that it has to fight is the secular world that’s slowly um gaining steam as well I mean and I think it’s a lot because you have Facebook and
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stuff like this you have a lot of atheists promoting you know know uh seemingly atheist viewpoints and um you know they’re biased themselves as well because they don’t put that same filter they do towards religious ideas towards everything else well concave Earth if the Earth indeed which it does you know through verifiable experiments I mean I don’t have to say it any other way just verify the experiments yourself go out and do them like Joseph did and you can verify the curvature of the earth once
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you get that far and then you start to see gravity isn’t gravity special relativity isn’t special relativity light Decay is and all these other Concepts and and you know knowledgeable verifiable things you have to take everything verifiable run it through but the point is all of these things that start to fall into place you know couldn’t have been there unless there was an architect to build it this way once you get I mean if they were to admit that the Earth curves upwards they have no choice but to admit that there
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is a God as well exactly you just can’t take one from the other you know it’s just very hard I mean to me personally this is one of the things that solidifies the idea of God you know I’m not 100% on you know I I mean I don’t agree with you know the normal ideas of what God is to begin with you know I I think you know a lot of these people put so many limitations or ideas that don’t make sense like when you say outside of space and time like what the hell does that mean yeah yeah this is a I don’t know if
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you guys saw this this the Ottawa Citizen put out an article they said why don’t people trust science and they have the you know they have the kesian cellular Globe at the as a picture at the front of the article oh yes I saw that but then they actually featured me in the article and they said uh what did they say here we go an American named Stephen Steve Christopher posts extensively on the theory that we live inside a hollow Earth he uses the name Lord Stephen Christ the citizen wrote to him and asked what keeps him going even though
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he writes online that his beliefs have caused him to lose friends and have lost have a lot of heated arguments he replied Desiring truth I don’t even really remember talking to these people so it must have been like on a YouTube comment or something like or maybe it was my Von live show I wasn’t I’m not sure but I mean that’s what we have to that’s what we’re up against these the majority you know with all this you know Brilliant Minds and you know and scientific research which is actually
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really good but this is you’re talking about the micro science level you’re not talking about the macro I mean you can you can be totally 100% spoton with all you know all the scientific information that and research that’s done on a on a micro level but but I want I’m talking about the macro and come on the moon landings really come on oh man so yeah John I mean now John were you what’s your background did you were you an atheist at one time or or what oh okay um I I’ll give you the the I I’ll
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try to make it short but I’ll give it a story of uh how I’ve got the way I’ve be came okay um basically 911 occurred I was working in Manhattan on that very day I was 6 miles away yet there’s still people running down the street six miles away I worked in a federal building and I had to quit what I was doing and they put me right away at the security four days later I became head of security in um that Federal Building okay and I I was 19 years old I’m uh a a boss of nine other guys okay um so that changed a lot
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and everybody was fighting about um religious ideas of uh you know the Muslims are out to get us the Muslims are out to get us right and uh I had to figure out you know what exactly was going on I mean I I my parents raised me as a Catholic they had me go to church all the time but my mother and father never went to the church it’s just we me my brother and sister had to go and um one day I said you know what I’m not going to go because you guys don’t go and I I never picked up on anything the priest said anyway so to me it it was
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like useless so um you know back back to the the you know after 9/11 I started talking to everybody I picked up the Bible I picked up a Quran I read the whole Quran I read the whole Bible um and then I started asking questions and you know it it took me a while to become humble because what it was is every single new piece of information I would be pulled towards and say you know this is right this is the new thing and this is right because this makes sense but and and then what I started to do is say you know
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what like I I went to the kingdom halls with Jehovah’s Witnesses I went to the Mormons I went to the Pentecostal church and speaking in tongues and he Faith healing I I mean I’ve seen all this stuff face to face okay and uh so you Dove you dove into those religions sex yeah because like a detective I got to find out I mean you got one verse but everybody’s got a different opinion of it right you know so I’m like how do you know this how do you know that and and you know ask every every body the same
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question how do you know how do you know what do you know what do you know and um I had Bible software and all this other stuff and um they had all the cataloges of information of uh commentaries and what they said about all the verses and things well I I started to find some real interesting stuff and um I think getting into the politics also at that time brought me to a conclusion like this right I think Israel is over there you know if you take away the conspiracy I’ll put a logical possibility rather
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than oh they just hate America’s freedom because I think that that’s just [ __ ] they want to feed us uh a propaganda slogan or whatever you have America that supports Israel Israel supports America I don’t know if you know but there’s um the only people who hold real dual citizenships are Israeli Americans yeah and they’ve been caught bringing Americans information back to Israel um stuff like that but just like you know says you you can’t be um faithful to two different Masters right you know and this is what
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they’re doing but what what what is Israel doing on a daily basis they’re you know killing destroying taking the Gaza Strip you know so you have the Arabs who are usually more Muslim against what Israel is doing because they’re taking the land and they’re like you know and we’re supporting Israel we’re the ones who we give Israel millions of dollars May billions of dollars every single year so if anything it’s a backlash because we’re actually stealing people’s land it wouldn’t be
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because they hate our freedom it’s because we’re we’re helping theft from them you see what I’m saying yeah so anyways you know you go into the religion and I started to get into philosophy as well and um The Atheist you know I listen to a lot of debates I think podcasts are good place for debates and I I could listen to you know I listen to Evolution debates religion debates does God exist the moral debates you know all these things they’re they’re very interesting to me but um ultimately it’s it’s hard
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for me to say because you ever heard like Matt slick Matt slick you ever heard of this guy uh maybe I’m not really sure he he you know he’s supposed to be one of the front men for I don’t know I think a Pentecostal group okay um but uh like he he doesn’t really I I never see him he does debates and stuff but I never see him and he’s on um one of these radio shows these podcasts that’s online but what he does is he plays word games and I started to notice a lot of people play word games and a
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lot of people don’t understand what the hell they’re talking about word games like uh the word faith in a religious context faith is different than in um a normal trust confidence right faith is like taking belief as if it’s reality you see what I’m saying yeah things you believe are actually real whereas the other faith is just the trust and confidence right so you can have faith in somebody or you can have faith in you know angels are actually real I mean that’s what faith means to me you know I heard an uh a Mormon U uh
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I don’t know group talk or whatever they said God has faith and that just boggled my mind I said how can God have faith if he knows everything that he can do and to me was that was a conflict so I had to figure this stuff out you know I see and um you know it it’s it’s very difficult for me to just receive an information and completely agree with it I have to sit on some information for a while but um you know oh through all this stuff you had the Flat Earth you know and and this popped up on one of the uh the websites I like
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to read my news it’s got alternative news and ghost and all this other stuff so I mean I’m interested and I can talk to you about anything really but um I was like Flat Earth really like you know you you hear it and they say and this is why you say this is a stepping stone I never believed in the Flat Earth what what it was is I looked at the Flat Earth and I said how is there people that think this is true and I thought for sure I thought well you laugh but I I thought to myself this has to be absolutely ridiculous so I started to
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make like a tally list okay right and I said okay they say the Earth doesn’t move can we see the Earth moves well it works either way other does or doesn’t and you can’t prove it either way I said okay so equal equal and every single thing I was checking initially was equal okay it worked in both heliocentric models and Flat Earth models okay it start to get intriguing and I was like huh and I kept going and this is where I I actually started to come across some concave Earth you know geoc Cosmos